prodigalgeek said: Uhura was magnificent in that scene, and those “continuity nerds” need to be aware that Nichelle Nichols would have wanted a similar scene. But elsewhere, Uhura was unnecessarily whiny and needy about her relationship problems. It was jarring.
The way Jim and Spock were unnecessarily whiny and needy about their relationship problems? Because that made up 92% of the film. Jim and Spock, whining about their feelings and how the other one couldn’t figure them out. Which was … exactly what Uhura was “whining” about, so no, I didn’t find it jarring. I found it fitting with the overall theme of the film, which was “relationships are hard,” be they romantic, familial, or platonic relationships.
Uhura’s relationship problems fit into the movie just as much as Spock and Jim’s did, and just as much as Jim’s ongoing daddy issues did. Spock was whining at her about their relationship just as much as she was “whining” about it, so I fail to see why, even if it didn’t fit the film perfectly, that we would point fingers at Uhura.
In the same scene where Uhura is “whining,” Jim is crying to Spock, too. After at least three scenes of Jim actually whining about how Spock had stabbed him in the back. Funny, nobody is calling that “whining,” are we? No, of course not, because male characters are allowed to have emotions, and they are allowed to cry about their relationships and nobody ever thinks it is jarring or “whining.” And nobody, nobody at all, is calling Jim needy when he is the neediest character in this franchise.
Spock was the man in charge of the ship and Scotty was the chief engineer, and they both took time to sit there and have a manpain session when the Enterprise needed them the most, but their grief and emotional distress is somehow superior and professional? Nah.
Also, Fake White Khan spent a whole scene whining about his familiy, which is just as much of a relationship issue as Uhura’s was.
The entire movie is everyone “whining” about their relationships. Uhura’s was no less valid than anyone else’s.
Scotty stood there and whined at Keenser to quit after he did, why doesn’t that make Scotty whining and needy? Especially since he ran away and got drunk so he could whine more about his needy issues?
Because “needy” is a pretty gender-specific complaint that only ever gets thrown at women, be they fictional or real. It’s as valid as calling a female character a Mary Sue, at this point, which means pretty much never.
I imagine it was “jarring” because she was both a competent and kickass solider and a woman who was capable of having the romantic relationship that she wanted, even though it took negotiation to get there. It was likely “jarring” because films constantly refuse to give us this, because when they actually try to give us a “strong female character,” they incorrectly cater to the crowd who think women in realistic romantic relationships is somehow weakening them.
Also, Uhura is a WOC in a relationship with a white (alien) dude. When people of different races are in a relationship, sometimes there are major cultural hurdles to get over. My girlfriend and I have this sometimes, because our life experiences and expectations are not the same in ways that have nothing to do with her growing up in Portland and me growing up in Ohio. We hash those things out, and the film was doing the Star Trek/sci-fi version of acknowledging those issue with Uhura and Spock wrapped up in the alien vs human theme, and I actually found that to be pretty clever.